Soon I shall be swimming in the Angel!Angst!

19 Aug

Wee! I just wanted to thank graffitiandsara for the amazon discount for the Angel Season 4 DVD!

Of course you realize, Sara, that I’ve had this DVD on pre-order for like, forever, and I had to cancel my pre-order and re-order to get the discount.

But amazon didn’t seem to have any problem with that. So thanks for thinking of me! It adds a bit of warmth to a cold August day!

38 Responses to “Soon I shall be swimming in the Angel!Angst!”

  1. swmbo August 19, 2004 at 10:23 am #

    Hee! Nice!

    Sadly, amazon has started charging TAX for my state now *facepalms* Damn them!! I’m trying to work out if it’s still cheaper, with the free shipping, or if I can find a better deal elsewhere now. Grr

  2. neshaffer August 19, 2004 at 10:28 am #

    I went with the free shipping on TOP of the discount, ’cause I’m cheap, and plus I’m doing an Angel marathon and probably won’t get to season for until the middle of September anyhow.

    But I’m *so* excited to have Season 4 on DVD! My tapes were for crap that year!

  3. neshaffer August 19, 2004 at 10:29 am #

    for = four

    There I go with the homophones again.

  4. neshaffer August 19, 2004 at 10:31 am #

    You should get a friend to do the “share the love” discount for you when they order. I would do it, except I already ordered!

  5. swmbo August 19, 2004 at 10:47 am #

    Hee! If I knew anybody that was planning to order it, I totally would!

  6. crimsonsenya August 19, 2004 at 12:24 pm #

    Whee! So great to hear that!

  7. neshaffer August 19, 2004 at 12:37 pm #

    Soon my TV will be filled with the cranky!angsty-Connor goodness that is Season 4, without the grainyness and missing scenes and mixed-up order that are my Season 4 tapes.

    And I’ve SWORN to myself that I will, in the due course of my current Angel marathon, watch “Home” for the second time ever. *fears*

  8. crimsonsenya August 19, 2004 at 12:51 pm #

    Connor at the mall simply broke my heart *burst into tears* (then Origin ground it to dust. The Angel/Connor interaction are the saddest moments of the whole show *sobs*)

  9. neshaffer August 19, 2004 at 12:59 pm #

    When I watched “Home” the first time, I just didn’t believe that Connor was that far gone. The whole suicidal thing just didn’t ring true to me.

    Then they had everyone forget Connor like he was never on the show and I about blew my top. [*hates the memory wipe with a passion*]

    I wanted some kind of on-going angst-filled relationship between Angel and Connor and “Home” seemed to mean that the writers weren’t ever going to give it me. I was livid and traumatized and literally crawled into a mental hole for four months. I remember thinking one day, “I am NOT going to watch Season 5!” And then I thought, “Oh my god. I’m breaking up with my show.”

    Time heals wounds, though, and I gave season 5 a chance and they gave me Connor back. Of course, then they apparently *killed* Angel so that there is *yet still* no chance for an on-going Angel-Connor relationship.

    Well, I spit upon the ambiguous ending to “Not Fade Away”! Mutant Enemy are dirty people, and we shall speak of them no more!

    Let the fanfic proceed.

  10. neshaffer August 19, 2004 at 1:29 pm #

    Oh, Ki! Save that “Home” icon “You can’t save me from myself with lies” for The-LJ-community-which-shall-not-be-named-n-my-LJ.

    And actually, now that I think about it, *that* caption would make a good sub-title for the Unnamed Community.

  11. crimsonsenya August 19, 2004 at 1:37 pm #

    One of the reasons Home is so heartwreching is that they do the mindwipe!! AAARGHH! *hates too the wipe passionately* In that neck cutting scene Angel should have knocked his son unconscious, folded him in his arms and run far away from W&H and the City of HellsAngels. *spits too: ptuih*

  12. crimsonsenya August 19, 2004 at 1:41 pm #

    I’m going to do it straight away and then I must call the night off ^_^!

  13. neshaffer August 19, 2004 at 1:52 pm #

    We have the same brain!

    That’s what I thought he should have done, too. Knock the kid out and take him somewhere where he can’t hurt himself and give him the love and support he needs to get healthy the normal way people do in the real world.

    It would have taken a lot of time and effort and been really hard (and therefore, people tell me, made for a really *boring* season 5), but that’s how we take care of our wounded children in the real world.

    The mindwipe struck me in two ways: Angel giving up on being a father, and Angel being selfish and pawning his problem child off on somebody else so he could have his own life.

    *sobs*

  14. neshaffer August 19, 2004 at 1:53 pm #

    Have a nice night!

  15. graffitiandsara August 19, 2004 at 2:05 pm #

    I’m glad it came in handy. I know I love a discount!

  16. neshaffer August 19, 2004 at 2:34 pm #

    Well, thanks for thinking of me in particular. That was very nice.

  17. crimsonsenya August 19, 2004 at 11:48 pm #

    I think the taking care of Connor could have been made interesting, at least more interesting than the beginning of Season 5. I hated the whole we joined the W&H. I loved the Angel/Spike interaction the last season, but I hate that the writer seemed to have forgotten the charcter development of Spike during the last season of Buffy.

    Back to my point :D: I htink Angel made the worst choice of his life by letting Connor go, a choice not worth of a champion! The writers kept him still well-adjusted after the breaking of Orlon Window, but I REFUSE to believe that could have been possible!! Lies are always lies and COnnor’s happy life and his parents were just that however loving that illusional relationship might have been.

    So as you said: May the fic proceed, where Connor really has to come in terms with his past and his real memories. ❤

  18. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 5:45 am #

    The writers kept him still well-adjusted after the breaking of Orlon Window, but I REFUSE to believe that could have been possible!! Lies are always lies and COnnor’s happy life and his parents were just that however loving that illusional relationship might have been.
    So as you said: May the fic proceed, where Connor really has to come in terms with his past and his real memories. ❤

    Again we have the same brain. I actually walked away from “Origin” the first time I watched it thinking Connor hadn’t gotten his memory back because I was so sure if he had, there would have been fall-out for him. Almost the entire thread of my LJ reaction to Origin was my friends trying to convince me he *had* got his memories back.

    But you know what? After watching Origin five bazillion times and NFA a few million, it became clear to me that Connor might very well behave exactly as he did in those episodes. It’s called denial. Your memories come back in a flood during a fight with a demon, so you use them, but then you pretend nothing happened. It’s overwhelming, and you don’t want to think about it or if it might be true. You go home that night and act normal to your parents, too.

    Then when Angel comes to visit you (NFA) you say, “Oh yeah, thanks, no big deal,” and then change the subject. It’s been a month, though, and inside you’re dying. Your clinging to normalcy, applying for an intership. But everything’s cool. That’s what you say.

    And inside you corrode.

  19. crimsonsenya August 20, 2004 at 8:11 am #

    It’s been a month, though, and inside you’re dying. Your clinging to normalcy, applying for an intership. But everything’s cool. That’s what you say.

    My Stripped down to the bone deals with that fallout:D (of course it’s also gone through my slashy brain, but the point of the whole fic is Connor trying to cope and find a meaning for his life!) I so wish you could read it.

  20. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 9:15 am #

    It’s not the slash part that makes me hesitate (I’ve written m/m original fic before). I just don’t read a lot of fanfic, period (I know, I’m a hypocrite), and I shy away from non-canonical stuff even more.

    and I had a long conversation about this where she tried to convince me that some fanfic is better than the original TV series and therefore highly readable, but that’s not the issue for me. I’ve asked people to suggest fics to me they think I’ll enjoy or that they found impressive, and I read them, and it still doesn’t make me want to read more fanfic.

    I’m a bad, bad hypocritical person, suddenly now writing my own fanfic but not reading other people’s. I will burn in fandom hell for this!

    Or maybe it will finally get me interested in reading some. Who knows?

  21. crimsonsenya August 20, 2004 at 10:26 am #

    It’s allright if you don’t read :D. It’s just that I put in my fics how I perceive/interpret the characters. Of course, there’s the angst filter…
    I’m a bad, bad hypocritical person, suddenly now writing my own fanfic but not reading other people’s.
    This way you can at least be assured your ideas for the fics are your own!

  22. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 10:45 am #

    I think most of my problem with reading and enjoying fan fic is that I don’t particularly enjoy viewing a character through another fan’s lens. I can read an essay written by another fan and feel free to disagree with their interpretation, but it’s all left-brained. You can distance yourself from that.

    Fiction, on the other hand, gives you a fan interpretation through the emotional and right-brained filters, and it’s a little harder to distance yourself from. If you don’t care for their interpretation of a character, you feel it viscerally rather than intellectually. You’ve been immersed in their point of view and it can be really disconcerting.

  23. crimsonsenya August 20, 2004 at 11:51 am #

    Fiction, on the other hand, gives you a fan interpretation through the emotional and right-brained filters, and it’s a little harder to distance yourself from. If you don’t care for their interpretation of a character, you feel it viscerally rather than intellectually. You’ve been immersed in their point of view and it can be really disconcerting.
    You’re absolutely right, it can be very disconcerting. Personally, I like to read fics, where the interpreation of characters comes near to my own. After having read quite an amount, I’m usually able to tell after few paragraphs, whether the interpretation is near to my own/the way I like to see the character I continue reading. Very selfish I know ;).

  24. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 11:57 am #

    Not at all selfish! You should read what you like and not feel obligated to read what you don’t think you’ll enjoy. That’s why I’m happy you’re reading TD. It’s not the sort of stuff you would normally read, I think–all canonical and in script format and possibly some ev0l het at some point. ; )

  25. crimsonsenya August 20, 2004 at 12:30 pm #

    all canonical and in script format and possibly some ev0l het at some point. ; ) True, I don’t usually read stuff like this, but your Connor interpretation is near to mine 😀 and you’ve got me hooked!

  26. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 12:42 pm #

    I’m basically writing the kind of stuff *I’d* like to read if I could find it. Both the Season 6 project and TD are attempts to continue the story where it got left off and do it the as close to the way Mutant Enemy would have done it as possible. That means sticking to canon as much as possible and writing episodes, etc.

    Of course, I’m not saying I’m not throwing in stuff that interests me personally. Like having Faith as a regular (not likely since Eliza Dushku is busy with her own different TV show). It’s fun to be able to take this where ever I want it to go, but part of the fantasy and the fun for me is writing a show I could imagine seeing on TV as a real spin-off show.

  27. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 12:49 pm #

    And just so you know, it’s important to me that Connor like girls because he’s my point of view character and *I* like girls.

    Don’t worry, the “show” isn’t going to turn into a het-fest. Connor has better things to do than sleep around or have a relationship or anything. I’m just saying.

  28. crimsonsenya August 20, 2004 at 1:27 pm #

    I’m very grateful that you’ve taken on The Destroyer. It’s very refreshing and enjoyable to read something different from the fics I usually read. And you have three viewers, I suppose one haven’t seen the eps yet, but, at least, two are looking forward to read more ^_^. Keep your way of writing the fic, we like it that way!

  29. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 1:33 pm #

    Thanks! *blushes*

  30. crimsonsenya August 20, 2004 at 1:33 pm #

    I know, lol. The Destroyer follows the canon road ^_^, Connor likes girls, but subtext still prevails ;P. I don’t mind, you control the vertical(I may have said that a few times, lol.)!

    Now I must go to bed :O Zzzzz. Write you tomorrow!

  31. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 1:41 pm #

    Ki, this point is *not* about canon. Not at all. It’s about me being able to write what I know, and write what is meaningful to me. I’ll do the subtext, ’cause it’s fun, but when Connor goes to check out some good-looking whatever, it’s going to be a girl, ’cause that’s what I would do.

    Have a nice night.

  32. crimsonsenya August 20, 2004 at 10:09 pm #

    Not at all. It’s about me being able to write, what I know, and write what is meaningful to me. It’s perfectly ok :D. *hugs*

  33. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 10:19 pm #

    Good morning!

  34. crimsonsenya August 20, 2004 at 10:26 pm #

    Honey, that’s good night for you then ;P. You’ve been parting?

  35. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 10:29 pm #

    Not tonight. I’ve been mopping my floor. I’m having guests over tomorrow evening.

  36. neshaffer August 20, 2004 at 10:38 pm #

    Oui, and I am off to bed now!

  37. crimsonsenya August 20, 2004 at 10:41 pm #

    Angelus is the one who does the mopping over here… haa. Have fun with your guests!

  38. neshaffer August 21, 2004 at 9:02 am #

    And when I get a wife, she’ll do the mopping, too!

    *hates housework*

    But my floor looks great

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